On 8/31/09 at approximately 3:30 pm, I brought my two dogs (Jack and Rocco) to Summerland Beach as I have been doing for years. As I walked down the path, I allowed my dogs to run and play with other dogs running on the beach. As we walked to our usual spot, a man wearing a polo type shirt and pants approached my dogs. My dogs started barking and running in circles around him continuing to play. The next thing I knew, this man pulled out a concealed hand gun from his waist and threatened to "shoot" my dogs (there were children and families with dogs in the area). I confronted the man in disbelief and asked why he would pull a gun out on a public beach with children, families, dogs, and even horses are running freely. The man stated that he is a retired Ventura Police officer, I in return stated that you have no right to pull out a firearm and threaten my dogs. He then pointed the gun at me and stated "you look like a real scum bag!" (I am a well mannered, clean cut, registered nurse!). I felt very threatened, and walked much further down the beach and called 911 (it was ALL recorded). I walked far away from the man, placed my belongings down while on the phone with 911. As I looked back, I noticed the man following me and my dogs. I continued walking away from him, but within view and witnessed him pull out his gun a second time pointing it at my direction. I continued walking further away, he continued to follow me walking near my belongings. Once the police arrived (3 squad cars) they frisked the man and located a concealed loaded gun. They questioned him (no handcuffs, not even detained!) and then came and questioned me. I stated to the officers what had happened, telling them that he threatened me and my dogs with a hand gun! The officer stated that he is "retired law enforcement" and is by law able to carry a gun.
I told the officer that he pointed the gun DIRECTLY at me and threatened me! THEY DID NOTHING! I insisted on filing a citizens arrest stating that the man is NOT in his right mind and has no right to pull a loaded gun on a public beach over barking dogs and threaten me! The officers REFUSED to allow me to file a report until I asked that they call their watch commander. Once the watch commander arrived, he too attempted to prevent me from filing a "citizens arrest", stating that the armed man can "file a citizens arrest against me". I insisted on filing a citizens arrest, and they reluctantly allowed me to. As the police officer obtained the paperwork that I was suppose to complete, the officer wrote in a "penal code" (417 a). I asked the officer why he filled in that information, I was suppose to. I also asked what the penal code meant. He stated that the penal code was "brandishing a weapon". I told the officer that he pointed the gun at me and threatened me which is an "assault with a deadly weapon". I then asked the officer for the penal code for "assault with a deadly weapon", he refused to give it to me, stating that if I write "assault with a deadly weapon" they would "have to arrest him". The officer then called the watch commander over. I explained to the watch commander that my life was threatened, and need the penal code for "assault with a deadly weapon". He also REFUSED to give me the code and stated "write what you want on it". I wrote on the citizens arrest that I was assaulted with a handgun and threatened. To my DISBELIEF, the officer told me that they RETURNED the mans gun to him, stating "we have no reason to keep a retired officers firearm" and let him go! Keep in mind, 1) They found a loaded gun on the man 2) he admitted to pulling out his gun 3) They let him go free with his gun. I was very upset, and stated to the officer that this is a "double standard", and that they should at LEAST keep his loaded gun until this is investigated. They refused! Ironically, I was meeting a friend at the beach who is a retired police sergeant (Ray Centeno, he has also written KEYT and you should have his story as well). Mr. Centeno was there for most of this incident, he as well could not believe that they returned this mans loaded gun and let him go. This is CLEARLY a double standard. I was assaulted with a loaded gun, but because this man is "retired law enforcement" they allowed him to leave freely.
I've attached pictures of my dogs, they are not aggressive by ANY stretch of the imagination, they did NOT bite or jump on him (they are guilty of only barking and running). I was sited for having my dogs off leash, and am being fined, the retired officer with the gun called animal control and HE had me cited. This man threatens me and my dogs with a loaded hand gun and walks. Something is wrong! Please help!
Regards,
Duane Fowler 818 825 7252
Police officer pulls gun on dogs & owner
by duanefowler (Subscribe)
Posted on: Aug 31, 2009 at 10:55 PM PST
Channel: Local News
The Sgt and deputies should and will be responsible for their dereliction to duty.
This miscarriage of Justice needs to be handled swiftly and appropriately by administrators
My reports have been filed regarding the conduct that the deputies exhibited and is a travesty to the badge of honor.
This is repulsive for a quote officer to want to shoot two sweet innocent beautiful puppy dogs. Mr. Officer obviously has sum screws loose. This shows the injustice of this specific police department and gives cops a bad rap for incidents like this.
I walk Summerland beach almost every day with my dogs. This is insane! The wild wild west policing days live well on our beaches! Pulling a gun on two barking dogs and their owner? For real? Insanity at its best!
This retired officer is lucky I wasn't there. I would have taken evasive and devensive actions to disarm him protect the victim and those around. Retired officer I have a message for you. Turn in your ccw cause its getting revoked!!!! I have I'd u.
HI Summerland.. Thanks for your comment. Very disturbing. Will be visiting your neighbors as mucy were upset about this. This will air tomorrow on channel 3
I walk both these dogs for the owner daily and both are well behaved, friendly dogs. I am stunned even an excop is able to use a loaded gun in this manner. I am grateful that this nut didn't hurt anyone. The next victim may not be as lucky.
Clearly the gun control advocates are right - only police officers should be allowed to have guns.
Please don't allow this to be swept under the rug, an obvious felony occurred by admission. What ever happened to PROTECT AND SERVE, they should scrape it right off their patrol cars and replace it with COVER UP AND HARASS.
This is a travisry of justice. I have been going to this beach years. Why is a RETIRED police man carriing a canceled wepon? Does he have the right to threnten anyone? If her put a gun in my daughters face I would be calling the coroner for him
To the person who posted the original article please go to this website. http://www.policeabuse.com/ It was founded by a former policeman who got sick of cops protecting cops. They can help you!
This is unbelievable, this is a dog beach, dogs are aloud off leach. I find this a total breach of justice. How can anyone feel safe when a mentally irrational retired cop is aloud to threaten, badger and point a loaded weapon at innocent citizens.
There must be reason why a department would retire a 30 year old officer. Californians' are wasting their hard earned tax dollars for this man to stay home on disability and threaten citizens with a loaded weapon when boredom strikes.
I live next to people friends with police. They are obnoxious drunks, with illegally modified extremely loud motorcycles. When ever the police are called they turn another cheek. Shows the character of the SBPD
This is scary! This is the beach not some inner city crime spot... Guns don't belong! Its unfortunate that the calm of our ocean didn't have an effect on this angry, mentally ill, overly anxious moron. Glad that no one got hurt! Let justice prevail!
Now you now a little bit of how it feels to be of color. I've had a gun drawn and pointed at me and did nothing. I was unarmed. It wasn't until they asked what I did for work and where I worked that they changed their tone. Retired mean civialian.
Barking dogs, loose on the beach can be a hazard and can and do bite people and other dogs. A retired peace officier has served us and is experienced in the handling of firearms. The whinner in this article should abey the rules to prevent this sit
If you would train your dogs and respect retired peace officers, none of this would have happened. Dont make something out of nothing and pretend that you were really in danger. Show some respect and you will get some respect.
ok - this is rediculous. Just because he is a retired Ventura City Police officer, this does not give him the right to brandish carelessly a weapon. I hope you got his name - and report him to the highest of authorities. This seems to be typical.
I would like to add that R Gs, comment about Protect and Serve is the way most of the citizens in the City of Ventura are feeling about their PD. Harass and Cover Up is exactly right. And agree, please don't let this go away mysteriously.
To C and G Ventura. Retired officers are respected. You seem to believe that his life was in imminent danger? And how would you like a gun stuck in your face. Seems you would be whinning too. Now what you going to do. I am glad the victim is pursuing
I am an advocate for guns. However reading an article like this makes me sick. What were the Santa Barbara deputies and superviisor thinking. They should have arrested and let the DA make the decisions on charges filed.
I hope you don't mind, but I posted your article on my class site to give it more attention.. It's and Administration of Justice class full of our future law enforcement and the like. If I where you I'd go the the police chef and the media..
Keep up updated on what happens....
Thank you all so much for your support! I'm still rather shaken over this incident (I've never had a gun pulled on me or my dogs). I'm meeting with KEYT 3 tomorrow for an interview. I will keep you all posted. Again...Thank you! Duanefowler@mac.com
What a disgrace to law enforcement. I hope you file a citizens complaint with the Sheriff and with the DA's office. It appears the news media is on this story. Good. Keep up the action against the deputies and supervisor.
What a travesty of Justice. Complaints are going to be filed. The deputies were derelict to duy and to protect and serve. I as a retired Officer would not have acted as careless as this one did. Shame on you deputies!!! Great support for victim!!!!
Based on the response, it is obvious that he subjectively felt threatened. I've had a child on a hike and dogs ran up growling on a narrow path. The owner said "Don't worry. They haven't bitten anyone lately." The dogs apparently intimidated hi
To Paul,Intimidation is not rational enough or common sense to pull a gun on dogs and owner. There needs to be imminent danger. Your comparing apples to oranges.That is not here.The suspect is an adult or maybe. He should know better. He is an IDIOT!
Hi Tiffany, Please feel free to use the article, I very much appreciate you sharing the story with our future law enforcement personnel. The best of luck to you and your classmates.
Duane is my neighbor and a dear friend and to those who have implied that he is otherwise whiney and irresponsible when this beach is clearly used by families with dogs and other animals is absurd. Should have been a non-issue, now it's a huge issue!
The nasty responses are obvious of cops protecting their image and egos. guys, if you were real men and not wimps you dont need to pull guns out on such a stupid, obvious non life threatening situation. morons!!!! you animal hater losers!!!
This is one of those cops that musta got beat up in grade school and joined the force to get a gun to intimidate people. Obviously they didn't screen him properly for the psych portion of his job. Nobody deserves to have a loaded gun pointed at them.
how dare such a man walk away with gun, no handcuffs or punishment and inncocent man gets a fine at a dog beach with 30 other dogs off the leash. how can this happen in America! Crooked cops!!!!! Officer so scared of a barking dog! lame! ha ha coward
Maybe retired man should join the army reserves since he likes pulling out his gun so much. I wonder how frequently he has done this sorta thing in his past to others. definiitely needs major investigation and our tax payers money shouldnt go to him.
I hate animal abusers. I hope policeman doesnt have children or animals to be giving this kinda example. He's like Michael Vic wanting to shoot innocent animal just for barking.WIMP! Wat kind of man is this? NOT!!! and he is permitted to carry a gun.
This man is unsafe to have a gun and walking the streets. This is unsafe for any community. Never heard of such a thing. Sadly cops didn't see the severity of this and were just looking at protecting one of their own. This is illegal for cop to do!
I know duane and his dogs. This man is a very responsible pet owner and i dont give that complement to many pet owners. I have high standards of dog ownership and he fits that. I have witnessed my dogs and his in a dog park with people. sweet animals
Wats wrong with our justice system that the police don't respect human and animal life? Why wasn't he arrested just because he's retired cop and has a permit. Wish someone video recorded this and have all over the internet. Do you have a picture ??
these dogs are very well trained and behaved. to those who responded negatively, you shouldn't open your mouth when you dont know duane or his precious dogs. you animal haters! My husband is a cop and this is giving the good ones a bad name.
My entire family are cops. Each and everyone of them are appauled by this story and lunatic cop with a gun. Is this because it's in Santa Barbara that they have such loose rules. Should we feel unsafe in Santa Barbara a quote safe fam community?
I think this should be brought to the attention of the Media. Was definitely not handled properly.
r u serious! wat! is he ROBOCOP? Wat a joke and disgrace of an example of a peace officer. This guy is nothing but a wimp and a bully to show wat a big man and his power to point a concealed firearm @ a beach. cop or no cop why the HELL has gun ther!
Santa Barb is suppose to be a very dog friendly city. What the hell is going on with retired cops pulling guns on dogs. he hada know that was a dog beach so dude was just there to look for problem bc he could clearly gone to a non dog beach.
even if dogs did mere bark @ man they are highly intelligent creatures and could sense ther was a danger with this man. That is normal for a dog to do, It is not normal for a man to pull out a gun on someone. DUH!! people blame the cop not the dogs!
this is clearly a dog beach. if you chose to go to a dog beach why in the heck would you complain there are dogs there. of course there are and yes! dogs do bark.It is their way to communicate. in case this idiot never knew that!
If the guy is that weird to hate animals, he should be intelligent enough to avoid a dog beach. This isn't the only beach to go southern cal. who carrys or needs a gun on santa barb beach anyway? psycho!!!
It is evident that this guy is mentally unstable to carry a weopan legally. a dog barking at you duz not give you justice to pull a gun out on the dogs and owner. was his life threatened no!!!!!!! in extreme danger from man eating dogs? No! excuse???
LOLA LUCILLE.. You and your family should be disgraced by the retired officers actions. Are you one that covers up things as well. Then why be appalled? You and family are off base and miss the story. Do you need another psych eval? Probably so!!!
this man must have sum real issues for the need to carry a gun @ a family beach in Santa Barbara first of all.2nd of all, Ready to whip it out on a dog that barks. crazy guy! I you should sew this cop. He needs justice like michael vic.
Mr Aj, Take your glasses out and read. I said I am appauled by the lunatic cops actions with gun. Please read again my comment and comprehend wat is being said, Thank you. I am sickened by wat retired cop did.
to victim, good luck with media and persue it in every way possible. Im so glad you are doing what your doing. This retired cop and the santa barabara cops are justifying actions & accepting it as normal thing to do and just sweep it under rug.
dogs r man's best friend. I thought police were suppose to respect dogs. dogs are used on police forces all around the world. Why would this cop b so quick to pull outta gun as his first action if a dog barks. If he had sense. He needs to be cited!!!
good luck to you and i hope you get lotsa media attention. I love animals more than anything and it is shameful that mr. ex cop was ready and willing to shoot dogs and u. by the way, he's the scumbag! persue this all the way and have justice prevail.
Your article makes no sense. I was totally with you until the last paragraph where you flipped your entire story. He called animal control? You were cited? Was animal control there at the same time the police officers were? Please clarify!!!!!
Hi Jeff, Animal control was not there, it is a "dog friendly beach". As a matter of fact, the city of Santa Barbara even supplies bags for dog waste. As he followed me down the entire length of the beach, he called animal control and he had me cited.
I am glad that I live in VT where dogs are walked and welcomed by all. I personally know stories of Rocco and Jack and their owner as my daughter walks them...I think that this action by this demented man is disgraceful. Some action should be taken.
I was only commenting on your article. In no place in the whole chain of events did you mention animal control, or their officers, or being cited, until the end of the article. You said he pulled again the second time, no animal control mention.
Remember when you are walking the beach or anywhere; this man is still out there and still carrying a concealed weapon. The next victim(s) may not be able to defend themselves. Law enforcement made a huge mistake giving this man his gun back w/o eval
Dear Duane,I was so shocked to hear this. Maybe you can hit up the SBPD with a big lawsuit and you can retire, get a concealed weopan permit and then be able to walk the beach and protect your dogs from mentally disturbed cops? Individuals! ya think!
A retired policeman was minding his own business walking on the beach and "approached my dogs. My dogs started barking and running in circles around him". In my mind I would feel threatened by this savage dog too. leash your dog DUANE
To once bitten. you don't get it! Threatened and imminent danger are different in case you didn;t know. The criteria for officer acitve/retired must be met with imminent danger before pulling gun. Dogs barking and playing is that right to you? Wrong!
Duane, you did not get "assualted with a deadly weapon". Next time I go to the hospital, I will be telling the nurse how to do their job! Don't try to turn a man protecting himself into something more. C Ventura and G Vent, I'm with you guys!
AJ, so you define "playing" as running around you barking....nice!!! if it were me and i felt threatened by this beast i would protect myself as well
Typical. Trying to make a victim feel like a suspect. Beach goer you make no sense to believe that a crime was not committed. Did you witness the incident?
To once bitten..The man with the gun did not get bitten or his pants were not scratched. You figure it out. I can see your common sense as irrational.
CJ if a crime was committed then the Police would have made an arrest, but wait... They didn't. So sorry to say it but "no crime occurred". There is no victim. Well said Once bitten.
IIs there any relevance to the fact that this insane individual was a retired police officer and he has a right to carry a concealed weapon and point this weapon at Mr. Fowler and his dogs? Clear case of FKN BS!
Fowler, what a loser you are, to publish such a one sided story. You paint a picture described a eutopia when suddenly a mad man starts wielding a gun for no reason. Please include all the facts.
Summerland beach is County area so it would be Sheriff land, i'm sure it was not SBPD. If the Deputies refused to take a citizen's arrest, that is a crime itself. Call Ventura PD and file a complaint, regarding "retired" cop. They make report to DOJ.
This wouldn't have happened if Duane had been abiding by the law - namely, by having his dogs on a leash. Summerland Beach is not a SB County designated off-leash area. Do you see it listed here? http://www.countyofsb.org/parks/parks01.aspx?id=9228
I didn't have any intention of offending anyone. I did have my dogs off leash, as did others. I admit that, and I'm paying for it. I simply feel that a loaded gun, being swung around and pointed at me was not justified.
RBP, you are as dumb as Fowler! Police can refuse a citizens arrest if unlawful. That was changed years ago!! Secondly why call king of the kiss off VPD? you are dumb!
Duane, have you contacted the department he was retired from? If what you said is correct they would be able to revoke his ability to carry a concealed weapon legally. If they haven't been contacted they might not know since keyt is a sb station
to those like" says, jack and once bitten who feel that they are in eminent danger for a dog barking which dogs do bark. Yall are either animal haters or have post tramatic stress disorder and need a life! go to therapy you gun locos.
for those that side with cop that this a normal behavior, question if this was a non retired cop and a gangmember or felon would you be so sympathetic to this gun happy beach goer so called retired cop pulling gun oout for lame reason, wimp.
dont think i will ever go to summerland beach for watever reason. even if it's not a legit dog beach then why every f-ing day there are a gang of dogs off leash and nobody complains and animal control not raiding place.dog beaches,dog park,dogs bark!
I have been notified by the Ventura County Police Dept. that the officer who threatened me & my dogs with the gun was of the Ventura County Sheriff's Dept. My sincere apologies to the VCPD. I will keep you all posted, Thank you.
once bitten. how dare you call these dogs savage you moron. have you met these sweet dogs. if you think every dog is savage if it barks then you are more of a moron than you already sounded in your comment! YOU R A SAVAGE JERK!
wherever he works sheriff or not WHO was the dept that let him go and brushed this event under carpet?? thats who needs the blame. and folks stop excusing this cop for his gun fights like old wild west ways. like john wayne.
Apology to lola lucille. Jack to you, you your head examined and research 142 PC. Years ago? This law has been in place. Maybe your not doing your homework in AJ courses! A peace officer cannot refuse a citizens arrest. Hope u don't work patrol.
Duane, Good move to apoligize to VPD. They are concerned as many of us are. I hope that Sheriff Brooks and Internal Affairs does the same. I feel a lil relief that this is causing some action of justice. Good Luck! Not that u need it.
With the hours I work i noticed all the recent comments. Duane nice of u to apoligize to VPD. I am certain that the SB deputies mis-informed you just by how u were treated. To think you r the Victim! Wow sad u got those Deputies.Get em Sheriff Brooks
Meaning to Sheriff Brooks to revoke that retired deputies ccw. That would be a first step to Justice!!!!!!!!!!
Nurse Betty, Your right on!! Santa Barbara Sheriff Deputies mishandled this call BIG TIME!! And IT will all come out at the end. Talk about dereliction to duty at its best. Do they know how to police a city? I doubt it!! Just by their attitude.
When did summerland beach need plainclothes security? I haven't heard of this. Are you covering up something or decline to report the truth? Are you afraid of Justice or attempting to remain in good spirits with SB County Sheriffs/Think about it...
Its amazing how quickly people allow themselves to get angry about a story theyve only heard one side of. There are 3 sides of every story. In this case the author's story, the retired cop's story, and what really happen. Emotions cloud judgement.
To WC, no.. how many sides do you want to paint.. The author is the victim. You won't here from the suspect, the retired officer. The real "Scumbag". You and only you cloud the issue of the incident..Read the story and comments who believe the victim
To complete my remarks to WC.. The truth will prevail with a strong foundation and no sides..Get it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why no mention of this situation on EDhat.com or NOOZHAWK.com? It sure smells like cover up all the way, guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns kill people. Lucky no one or animals were killed. Get that gun off the beach.
Hey AJ why don't you read 837 PC. I'd like to hear the retired officers side, cuz I'm sure it's completely different. So where were all these other people with dogs and kids that wouldve seen this. No other witnesses...that is odd.
The DA's office now has the report. There were witnesses (including a cop "friend" of his). I'm no sure who the Sherifs on scene chose to speak with however. News story on hold pending outcome.
IM BACK- AJ , IS YOUR DOG IN YOUR WILL? OR DO YOU JUST BELIVE EVERYTHING YOU READ AT FACE VALUE?
Aj...I hope you're not a cop or a teacher cuz 142 does not apply to private person's arrest per 837. Beach goer: there were witnesses who side with the retired cop. I love dogs but, not moron dog owners.
Feeling threatened by the dogs and pulling a gun to protect himself is one thing. Turning the gun on Duane is a different ballgame, retired cop with a ccw or not. And then to follow Duane down the beach and point the gun at him again?! Hmm.....
Mike!!! you are basing your statement on one persons "perception" of what happened. believe me, I would bet that what really happend and Fowler's perception of what happened, is two entirely different scenarios.
JACK good point!!! it is easy to rally the troops when you say a "dog" was in danger.. never that someone might have been bitten
To Beachgoer and Jack. Better read 142 PC.It pertains to the failure or refusal of action of peace officer to affect an arrest. 837 PC deals well you can read it for yourself. Here from the retiree.Tainted already The deputies failed to ask other wit
Glad to here the majority of the people who r responding to this r from planet earth vs the people against victim definitely clouded view to think acceptable to point gun on nice dogs and man or anybody 4 that matter. Take gun from crazy cop.
AJ, Are you telling me 142 P.C. pertains to private persons arrest? You are telling me that if some whack job demands to make a citizens arrest on someone, you are going to take it lawful or not? Ever heard of civil rights?
Nobody but that retired cop knows what he felt to propel him to draw his weapon. I seriously doubt he pointed the pistol at Fowler unless he was acting irrational. I'd bet that retired cop would risk his life to ensure your safety.
Citizen Raul. U r right on. Jack, Go back to school and learn how to interpret the law. Letter of the law v. the spirit of the law. Sound familiar? U need to read those sections again and again is what it seems like!!! His ccw will be revoked!!
To Jack, had he had pulled the gun on me, He'd be wearing it. Shame on his idiotic behavior. Had I'd been there I would have shot him first in self defense cause my life now is in imminent danger. Now what do u think? Glad I wasn;t there!!!
To Jack...Wow!! not surprising to hear civil rights come up.. What do u think Mr. Fowler was deprived of? Violation of the 14th amendment. The administration through the courts of law. The deputies were derelict in their duty to investigate and ask ?
What a travesty to those who believe the retired officer acted in a good conscious sound mind. Remember that when someone is infringing on your well being and safety. I might be there and won't take action. Ur on your own. Hows the shoe fit!!!
This cop is way outta line, totally unconstitutional and he should be ashamed of himself for doing such a dumb irresponsible and dispicable act. Those who side with the cop must be the cop or must be his friends. Shame on u cop & all them!
If I or any other citizen woulda done this we'd be face down in the sand, handcuffed, and hauled to jail. Only difference was is that is was a crooked cop and therefore it was a tolerable act in good taste. Something wrong with this picture.
AJ, According to Fowler, the DA's office is involved. People with much more education than myself will decide the proper course of action. Unless politics get involved, nothing will (or should) happen to this retired cop.
VSO has been forwarded the information and will act. I'm confident that the S.B. DA office will make the appropriate filing. There needs to be that trust in our Justiice stystem, Not a legal system. Jack.. Don't be so certain about inaction. FYI!
Support is for the vidtim, Its all good!To dversaries,Course. Fredom or speech is free.Howver,Noone is above the law. Reitired officer you give retireess who served with the badge of honer a bad reputiatoin. I appluade those who served with dignity
Citizen Raul, point well made, Show and indicates ur common sense to strve for justice.
Raul, right on!! Jack your still lost!! You seem nothing is going to happen to this retired officer. Your wrong!!. Is he a booziing bud of yours? Shame of you to think nothing is going to happen to him. Investigation going and complaints!
Okay....I'd be willing to bet nothing will happen. Bottom Line is: He is legally carrying the weapon and he felt fear for his safety. That's all it takes to justify this. And no, I am not a a buddy of this retiree.
DuaneFowler...I would be interested in hearing the retired officer's version of events. Maybe you should have used a little common sense in the first place! Quite crying already!
Citzen Raul...the Constitution doesn't protect you from private citizens, which is what the retired officer is, it protects you from the government ...You should really brush up on your knowledge of how our laws work...
Citzen Raul...the US Constitution does not protect you from private citizens, which is what the retired officer is, it protects you from the government. Maybe you need to brush up on how our laws work...
To Accipe_hoc, Where do think the amendments come from. It governs the 4th, 5th, 6th and 14 amendments. Thats just to begin. Perhaps you need to dust your books and read the first 10, Known as the "Bill of Rights" Common sense, No on the gun toter.
Thanks AJ. There always has to be that 1 or 2 people that have to go against even wat is right. wonder if the people with negative feedback such as ACCIPEHOC and Jack just like the sake of debate like a defense atty? HUMMM wonder. Ignore them!
In addition too that comment ACCIPE HOC N JACK if gun was pulled in your face, or kids face or yo mammas face would you be so compassionate for this cop to do this?Because afterall, he quote felt threatened. Coward! Yall weird!
to the original commenter Once Bitten. I was severly bitten b4 by a dog. Question? Did you go to hospital? Did it break the skin? Are you a big scardy cat? If ya know anything bout dogs this wasn't a sign of aggression from the dogs dumb dumb!
TO ONCE BITTEN: it is apparent you have sum dog hangup-phobia from your past dog experience. you sound like a typical racist. because YOU had a bad experience with dogs in past. how dare you label all dogs as a danger over mere barking.nuts!
Anyone with any common darn sense can tell that the dogs Jack and Rocco arn't these beasts these idiots are painting them out 2 be. That poor big officer with gun hada pull out because he's a wimp and was so frightened for his life.please! Right! OK!
Shows how much class this cop has. WAKE UP! ANSWER... He likes to show his power and pull out gun. NOt the first cop or person who duz this nonsense. His gun is an extension of his manhood. very and i mean VERY ugly non attractive behavior fyi!
To citizen Raul. Well put. I concur. Just for the sake of something to be against the populas. Jack.. I support police and retired. But this is nonsense behavior. I guarantee there will be action.
AJ...You are the one who needs to dust off your law books. Trust me on this, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights limits the power of the government, it does not protect one private citizen from another.
that is not assault with a deadly weapon. He would have had to shoot at you and miss for that penal code to apply. brandishing a weapon is the correct penal code for this incident.Obviously there is more to this story, the victim is not a real victim
AJ, relax a bit and realize I havent taken either side here. After eading the actual law, "that guy" is definetly right here. The penal code section the officer cited was correct. Just because Fowler insisted it was assault doesnt many anything.
He could have insisted on signing a citizen's arrest against the retired cop for speeding in a school zone too, that doesnt make it applicable.
Wake up you fools! Fowler does not tell you that the retiree was in fact arrested. (cite and release) And he did not wish this until the retiree insisted Fowler was cited for leash law. And, the bystanders present sided with retiree! Fowler=idiot!
Jack,ur an idiot. I was there. Mr. Fowler insisted on an arrest immediately. A felony took place. You must it doesnt say may or shall but immediately take into custody when a felony has occurred. Answer to IA you fool!!!!!!. if u wear a badge lose it
Will keep u posted! As the DA is now investigating it so is the Ventura Co. Sheriff IA. To u officers, get your story straight for IA. If you know what I mean.
Ventura county guys probably like to know why u didn't do your job pursuant to the Constitution and Oath
U Santa Barbara S.O. are an embarrasement to law enforcement. I hope you think, if any brains, how would u like your family to be treated in the same incident.
It is clearly a double standard. If you are being cited/fined for not having your dogs leashed, I would question how many more tickets were issued to other dog and horse owners that day/week/month. Why were you singled out by an out of town retiree?
im a CW permit holder & carry ANYWHERE allowed by law. that said, there is NO WAY im going to draw unless im about to use my weapon to defend my LIFE. i dont believe n using a weapon as a scare tactic. too many legal repurcussions n doin so...
Had this guy leveled his firearm at me under these circumstances, I'd have been justified in shooting him under AZ law. Lots of people let their dogs off leash ILLEGALLY in my neighborhood. Pointing my gun at them would be aggravated assault.
AJ...If this guy is in fact retired from the Ventura County Sheriff's Department, their IA unit has no authority to do anything about it. Let the people who actually know the law investigate this incident. It's obvious you don't!!!
AJ. I hope you're not the effn idiot who got fired from OPD who later became a campus cop. If you are, I'd shut the f up. Since when is brandishing a Felony?
To Jack, buzzzzzzzzzz wrong!!!! Wanna guess again. Sounds like your frustrating doing your own job. You are a coward!!!
To zookeeper and bob, u certainly have asked some great questions and pointed out the importance of carrying a concealed weapon.
To Accipe_hoc. What do u think IA is. Their job is special invetigation for these caess. They know the law and well prepared for it. Don't knock em cause u don't know what they do
AJ... IA is "Internal Affairs". They conduct "Administrative Investigations", which do not pertain to retirees! Come on man! You've got to be messing with me now, there is no way you can be that uninformed about the law!!!
Accipe_hoc..The Sheriff or Chief of Police of their respective jurisdictions are responsible if a retiree/acitve pulls his gun off duty. A retiree such as in this case, has to answer to his Command. No one messing with you. You need the research!!
georgina latishina NO one deserves to have a loaded gun pointed at them? What if they are trying to take you or a loved ones life what then? Will you just stand by and let them have there way? You people on here are part of the problem with America!
America is a neuterd society afraid of sharp knives and FIREARMS not "weapons "there is a proper term for them seeing as how all of you on here are so PC get it right!
Your dogs may not look vicious but they can turn real quick just remember ALL the animals you find so cute well their ancestors were WILD animals meaning not matter what you do you can not take there basic instincts away!
AR, your ancestors were of Apes! What does that make you other then a moron?
AJ...a retiree does not answer to any "command"..he is a private citizen, subject only to state law like anyone else... The scary thing AJ, is that you probably vote and serve on juries!
Duane. You have obvious slanted the story in your favor. If anyone walking feels threatened by aggressive dogs they have a right to be ready to defend themselves, with a stick, a golf club, or yes, even a pistol.
What you claim happened would be" brandishing". An assault with deadly weapon would involve the firing of the weapon. If I fire a weapon at you and even if I miss, that is an ADW.
How do you know that this guy did not made up this story just to get attention or just because he hates Police.
I have known Duane for many years. He is abrasive and in your face all the time. There is no doubt that he provoked the retired officer. All of the facts need to come out and it will become clear that Nurse Fowler is not the saint he paints.
Duane is your best friend one minute and when things don't go his way he twists the facts and makes you appear to be the bad guy. Don't believe anything he says. He is extremely manipulative.
I believe Duane's story, these cops obviously have the "good ol' boy" mentality going on. A retired officer has no reason to be carrying a concealed weapon. If he doesn't like dogs on the beach, perhaps he should find another beach.
So youre a murse (man nurse)?
the long and the short.....DO NOT draw your weapon and point it at something or somebody unless you intend to destroy that object, that is the universal law of firearms. If this guy IS a retried LEO, then he should know better.
While Summerland beach is not an "official" off-leash dog area, it is however very dog friendly. Summerland is more or less known as an off leash beach and locals take care of the beach. Let dogs run free, get exercise and have fun. Dogs YES-guns NO.
To Ben..You hit got it right!! To bad all others don't focus on people shooting persons than dogs. This guy retired as such should know that.. Duh!!! Bound by laws to carry a gun when retired! He has got his head up his a_____!!
To CLC, a retired officer officer has a right to conceal and carry.. That doesn't mean his brain and common sense is involved.. Perhaps his ccw permit should be expired!!!
My.. U must know Duane quite well!!!!!!!!!!!!! U must be the suspect!!!
Retired offiicer involved has ccw revoked. Good going Sheriff Bob!!! He is and was and an embarrasement to the department..I am proud that the AD min had the ba___ to step up to the plate. Great job!!!!!!!!!!!
I still think you should sue the city for this, so it will be a lesson to the deaprtment.
I like Cops. They are hot.
Why haven't we heard from Duane lately? Has he moved on to his next conquest? Guess he truly has a short attention span. He had his 5 minutes of fame with this issue. Perhaps he's moved on to making someone else's life miserable!
Welcome to the SBPD and Sheriff's Departments! They are all prejudice and a joke. I have heard more complaints about our police force more times than I can mention. Protect and Serve?! Not in Santa Barbara. It's clear what that phrase was made up for
Wow, just wow. Anyone.. and I mean anyone, pulls a gun on or points a gun at me or my loved ones (a pet is a loved one). They best be prepared to use it and kill me with the first shot. I've been shot, it isn't fun, I WILL defend myself.
Hi MarkB, Well, we are all entitled to our own opinions and I'm sorry you feel the way you do. You speak as though you know me and use a name that is a friend of mine (not you). I wish you peace and hope that you one day find it.
Well, I have a CCW and have been in a situation with dogs near my wife a baby (they were barking at them.) I never considered pulling out my weapon much less at the owner of the dogs.
Years ago there was a VPD walking his dog when someone's unleashed 15 pound Toto type dog barked at his dog. He pulled a gun and killed the dog on their lawn in front of their kids. It made the local papers. The DA judged it a righteous shoot.
Years ago an off duty VPD walking his dog pulled his gun and shot a 15 pound Toto type dog that barked at him. He shot it on the owners lawn in front of their kids. It made the papers and was investigated. The DA judged it a righteous shoot. Yay VPD.
Police will never turn on their own. It does not matter unless you have a witness and have it on film. Then Police are forced to do what is right. The officer should have been charged with 417 and his gun taken to the property room.
pattikins says ...
On Monday, Aug 31 at 11:07 PM
This is an absolutey travesty of justice. How does two non biting dogs create an imminent danger for someone who should know better to pull his gun. Other childresn and families were present and they certainly didn't feel threatened.